Friday, December 31, 2004

Joanne says...

Canadian Red Cross
Unicef Canada
Oxfam Canada
World Vision Canada
Care Canada

I don't mean to sound preachy, but let's do our part, guys.



Tim says...

In the Spring (or Summer) you'll probably see some hummingbirds....maybe.

Gary says...

Well, as I head off to greener (well, whiter, windier and colder for sure) pastures, I bid you guys a teary farewell and a Happy New Year's... :)

Blue skies, smiling at me...
Nothing but blue skies, do I see...
Bluebirds, singing a song...
Nothing but bluebirds, all day long...


Until next time friends......^^

Wednesday, December 29, 2004

Gordon says...

Go to your SSC account....Applications --> Graduation

Peter says...

NeverGonnaGrowUp says...

does anyone know how to apply for graduation?
i've been too lazy to check it out myself. if any of you know can u just let the rest of us know? thank you~~~~

Tuesday, December 28, 2004

NeverGonnaGrowUp says...

how about New Year's Resolution; anybody would like to share theirs?

NeverGonnaGrowUp says...

does it have to be serious?
i'd like to count the Beslan massacre, too, then

Gordon says...

what about...hmm...Gordon turns 21....Gordon going to UBC 4th year....Gordon eating meat again...Gordon eating less wine gums....Haha...

Hmm...I thought Saddam was captured last December

Joanne says...

Hmmm, let's jog some intellectual discussion in this group. Time for Top 10 lists! Naturally the first one that pops into mind is "Top 10 News Events." I don't have them in any particular order, but I would definitely include

- capture of Saddam Hussein (that was this year, right?)
- Ukraine election
- this Tsunami crisis
- death of Arafat
- Re-election of George Bush
- the Sudan Crisis

We need some good news in the Top 10...

Karen says...

*karen calls into the virtual night*
any takers? anyone? anyone? ...

Karen says...

i'm so bored...
don't want to sleep...
anyone up and want to get bubble tea?...hahahahahaha.

Tim says...

When Joanne means 7:30 she really meanz 8:00 :p j/k
I better not show up only to find I'm half an hour early

Monday, December 27, 2004

NeverGonnaGrowUp says...

thanks Joanne for your exceptional organizational skills :)

Joanne says...

First of all, my condolences to Chris.

Next, the time/location of the celebration of Gary's Exile to Winnipeg (JUST KIDDING).

Tropika
2975 Cambie St
Vancouver
(That's Cambie X 14th Ave. Either take 99 B-line to Cambie and head south five blocks, or take the #15 from downtown)

Tuesday, December 28th, 7:30pm

HOPE TO SEE ALL OF YOU THERE



Christopher says...

People always say that the younger generation cannot mourn the passing of an older one. However, they are wrong. We see the grief of those around us and thus, realize how great an influence they had on those we love. In that way, we know that we have missed the opportunity to be touched in the same way and that someone truly great has left this world. In the end we still grieve, not just for memories but with regret.

Sunday, December 26, 2004

Joanne says...

A few things that I think only Joyce would understand the significance of:

- Colin Firth makes an EVEN more swoonworthy Mr. Darcy (I know! Was that even possible???) in "Bridget Jones: Edge of Reason"

- Torrefazione Italia in Kerrisdale is gonna be replaced with Caffe Artigiano which, in my opinion, (aside from the Blue Mountain served at Don't Show the Elephant) has the best coffee in Vancouver.

Saturday, December 25, 2004

Joanne says...

On the 12th day of Christmas P&C gave to me...

Twelve pounds a-shedding
Eleven games of blackjack
Ten British Babes
Nine coffees brewing
Eight sales a-starting
Seven A's a-coming
Six teas a-bubbling
FIVE GORGEOUS MEN
Four job interviews
Three jazz gigs
No more commerce cramming
And an end to hockey lockouts

Wow, that was fun. Time to start making "Best 10" Lists for the year...

Gordon says...

Shocked....I'm first to put this up...anyway...here goes nothing:

MERRY CHRISTMAS

And I don't think Joanne finished the song! I'll give her the honors of thinking up the 12th day.

On the 11th day of Christmas P&C gave to me

Eleven games of blackjack
Ten British Babes
Nine coffees brewing
Eight sales a-starting
Seven A's a-coming
Six teas a-bubbling
FIVE GORGEOUS MEN
Four job interviews
Three jazz gigs
No more commerce cramming
And an end to hockey lockouts

Joanne says...

Please don't tell me I'm the only one who finds the "up and down" imagery kinky.

I have now in my possession two bag of Blue Mountain Coffee. Let the caffeine overdosing begin!

Friday, December 24, 2004

Joyce says...

hurrah~~ it's stationary!!

after gordon successfully lured me with the pasta bar, i've been having images of the boat sinking and myself swimming in my hush puppies boots and teenflo skirt... (haven't picked the top yet... cuz i need some buffet-friendly outfit)

Gordon says...

Hey Cindy, just leave it on the 28th..it's all right. hehe..cause I can't make it on the 27th either...

NeverGonnaGrowUp says...

we can do it on the 27th then if Gordon can't make it
sorry that my schedule is so unpredictable but basically thats all my options: 27th, or 28th
oh, and maybe we should ask gary which day he prefers lol

and the brazilian steak house menu looks okay. i guess 20 something dollar dinner is the norm in these days. i've heard about the place but never been there. thanks for doing the research!

Gordon says...

Because it's on a boat...it might bounce up and down! hehe

Joanne says...

Bah, how can they call it a "cruise" then?

Gordon says...

Bad news Karen, I think the boat IS stationary

Gordon says...

Hey Joanne, I dun think I can make the 28th. But I'll meet up with you guys afterwards if you guys are doing anything.

Joanne says...

28th, got it. What do you guys think of Samba Brazilian Steak House?

Thursday, December 23, 2004

NeverGonnaGrowUp says...

heya joanne: no, i didnt have any particular place in mind cuz i don't know my food places. i was only suggesting on campus (like one-more sushi) or in kerrisdale (like that dim sum place) for convenience sakes. also, i'd personally like to include bubble tea in there somewhere because i feel that bubble tea kind of defines "us" with the poker/card games, and the post ultimate game memories etc. do you have any place in mind, since you are more restaurant-literate than i am?

having gary's old friends there would be perrrfect. the thing is i just realized i have a conflict on the 29th so is it ok if we do it on the 28th? it just means that we gotta have a plan like soon cuz 28th is less than a week away...

karen: special hi to you cuz you said hi to me! now i feel doubly welcomed.

Peter says...

list of things to do tonite:

karaoke - uh i ain't singin'
cosmic/regular bowling
movie (meet the fockers, oceans twelve, the incredibles)
bbt (cmon, schools over, this should be a pre-event or post-event kinda thing)
bbt at a place where we can play poker (eh? eh? eh? i'm lookin at the guys)

Karen says...

- free tonight? -

hello hello. was wondering if anybody's free tonight to do something with fabulous people a la joyce and yours truly. we're planning on meeting up post-dinner, so like after 8 for an undetermined activity. please call me if interested. =)

[err, this post sounds too much like a help-wanted ad.]

(welcome back cindy!! and already back in the organizing chair! =P)

Joanne says...

By all means, it is now only 2 days before christmas, technically we ARE on the tenth day of christmas..which is how we got to 9

Hey Cindy, I was hoping to include Gary's Coquitlam friends in it too. Most of them are in Hong Kong or Singapore so it'll be max ten people, but I talked to Alvin and he's totally on board on helping me grab the contacts. Did you have anywhere in mind?

Gordon says...

WHEN DID WE GET TO 9??? Meh..whatever....here it goes

On the tenth day of Christmas P&C gave to me....


Ten British Babes
Nine coffees brewing
Eight sales a-starting
Seven A's a-coming
Six teas a-bubbling
FIVE GORGEOUS MEN
Four job interviews
Three jazz gigs
No more commerce cramming
And an end to hockey lockouts

NeverGonnaGrowUp says...

hey people!!

i propose that we do a ultimate team dinner before Gary goes off! my reasons are three-fold (or...four, if you count number 4)...
1. we haven't had a team dinner yet
2. we all need to eat
3. we have only worn our jersey once/twice/three times
4. this is a bad one, but I WASN'T THERE ON THE 19TH!

so...what do you guys say? how about on the 29th (because that's when I'll be allowed out) and we'll just say either on campus or somewhere kerrisdale-ish (or any other suggestion since i don't know my food places). we can make it a lunch, a dinner, or even just bubble tea (to refresh our lovely summer neutrino tradition)

for those who aren't on the ultimate team, you guys can come too! the ultimate thing is just be like a gimmick...it's really time for party! plus u are all on the ultimate team one way or another, via a friend or a foe or a lesbian lover or some other relationships...

anyways, it's just a suggestion. i'm on shower high. that's right, i get high's after showers.

Joanne: you're already on nine? lol
Tim: thanks for welcome-back msg, lol. Now i feel more wanted!

Wednesday, December 22, 2004

Joanne says...

On the 9th day of Christmas P&C gave me to

Nine coffees brewing
Eight sales a-starting
Seven A's a-coming
Six teas a-bubbling
FIVE GORGEOUS MEN
Four job interviews
Three jazz gigs
No more commerce cramming
And an end to hockey lockouts

Tim says...

Cindy: Hey Cindy, welcome back into the fold! Your back only got better for 2 days? Haha, yeah I don't even know if Winter Broomball in January is gonna be a go considering that it's something like 2-7pm on Tuesday.

NeverGonnaGrowUp says...

Hi everyone!

so i just spent about 2 hours sitting in front of my computer reading the blog. since i've been out of the loop since october, my god, my eyes hurt. how did Gary's thing go? who was whose secret santa and what kind of extraordinary gifts were exchanged?

PAT: happy belated birthday (oops.)
TIM: i don't owe you $10 cuz you owe me $8 (clubbing) :P You know i think that falls at broomball made my back all the better. it hasn't ached since 2 days afterwards.
PETER: sorry for ignoring your prompt reply to my email, but i'm still trying to find the receipt
GORDON: thanks for the graduation list. i am dead-on the 48 credit of upper year courses....can't drop any more courses!

and our ski trip got cancelled. that's why i'm here. *sob sob*

can i add to the x'mas carol? i need to think of something 5 first tho...

bah. i'm kinda bored. but i have so much to do. bah bah bah. i wish i could go out!

STEPHEN: i'm sorry to hear about your loss. i'm sure Felix enjoyed being under your care and left without any regrets.

Tuesday, December 21, 2004

Peter says...

sorry guys, i've been busy with mandatory post-exam lounging... 10 hours of sleep followed by 5 hours lounging around the house followed by binge eating followed by 6-8 hours of doing absolutely nothing until 4am, and then back to the 10hrs of sleep etc.

i think i'm ready to act normal again :) marks are out and i'm happy so far. here's ur update.

Tim says...

Speaking of the death of this blog. Where's Peter? He hasn't even updated in so long.

ABT stocks close at $0.66 from $0.68

Gordon says...

Gosh...wanted to sleep early...but started to watch "The Experiment" ....that was the most disturbing movie I've ever watched...and it was a true story..which made it even more horrifying...

Anyway...Tim, you got me and joanne so far... anyone else....??

Tim says...

Hmmm, $60 eh? I might consider it if you can grab min. of 4 others to go :p

Joanne says...

You gotta hand it to the allegory...the death of Stephen's rat came with the death of this blog...anyhow...

WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE DOING NEW YEAR'S EVE?

If your answer was "Mope around and eat myself fat," then I urge you all to check out Sultry New Year's Party. Only 77 seats left! It'll be a fun thing if we all go as one big drunk happy group. COME!!!!!!!!!

Gordon says...

Hey Pat and Karen...me calling you two tmw during the day....so STANDBY cell phone!

Monday, December 20, 2004

Joyce says...

i wanna "weeeee" too!!

k, here it goes

weeeeeeee *cough* eeeeeeeee *sneeze* eeeeeeee *cough* *cough* ee.. eee..

Gordon says...

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

FINALLY DONE!

Gordon says...

Thanks everyone with your gifts and/or cards! and thanks secret santa....almost finished the entire tub!

Saturday, December 18, 2004

Stephen says...

Well, it's over. No more biochemistry. EVER!
Albeit it's somewhat bittersweet because we have to bury Felix this afternoon.
Sorry to dump on you guys.

Still is nice to be finished though.

Tim says...

OMG!! ARE YOU SERIOUS?!!!! AWWWWWWWW.....poor Felix :'(
We will miss him ('cept for a select few)

Gordon and I will now offer a minute of silence starting as soon I post this.

Stephen says...

Felix Ackerman-Naphegyi
September 15, 2002 - December 18, 2004
Beloved rat and friend.
You will be missed.


Friday, December 17, 2004

Karen says...

joanne: i must say, i'm very very impressed with the chinese text there!

Joanne says...

I can't believe it has come to this, but...

Am I allowed to pay off one credit card with another credit card?

Joanne says...

No, it's not really possible. BUT I did get a lot of slides counted today. I think the alcohol prevents me from realizing that my eyes hurt...

No, I don't peak. I don't get why people would read the end first to see what happens. Especially if it's a Grisham novel!!!!

Joyce says...

this is my day so far:
siblings on plane to Taiwan - 1
parents on plane to Taiwan - 1
coffee purchased and left cold - 1
hours of sleep - 4.5 + 3.5 = 8 (not bad)
food consumed so far - 1/4 cup of cold coffee, 3 slices of Japanese cracker
udon noodle in soup to be made - 1
cellphone game addiction - ahh... hmm...

oh. I've read the first 1/4 of John Grisham's King of Torts and the ending, and is excited to read what happens in the middle.
Who's an ending-peeker here?

Tim says...

Steven: I was just playing into the song. I wish I could get 4 interviews haha

In recent news:
Steven Naphegi buys 30% of ABT
Gordon Jung buys 30% of ABT
ABT stocks close at $0.68 from $0.57

Joanne: Your drunk? Is that even possible?

Joanne says...

It is 1pm, and I started drinking OVER one hour ago. And I think I'm drunk.

And I'm in the lab. And an americano + rum does not go together. I'll head back to the microscope now. Band cells! Boo yah.

Joanne says...

Oh yah? I'd like to see your ninjas get past my army of machine gun-baring polar bears and strippers!

You know, I think P&C needs to expand. All we have is a
- CEO who mocks his Head Director
- a Head Director who takes unauthorized vacation leaves
- a major shareholder who has a frequent buyers card at a local strip club
- a disgruntled former shareholder who makes wild allegations
- an ex-Internal Director who owns the company motto that we apparently infringed copyright laws to acquire.

Stephen says...

Tim: Did you actually get four interviews or are you just playing into the song? Also, I'm taking 30% of those bubble tea shares.

Joanne: I will have your stocks again! I've found that a severence package isn't nearly as fun as manipulating you all from a top floor office surrounded by ninjas ready to do my evil bidding... You're next John Brunstein!

Tim says...

On the 4th day of Christmas, P&C gave to me:

Four job interviews
Three jazz gigs
No more commerce cramming
And an end to hockey lockouts.

Joanne says...

SECRET SANTA GIFT EXCHANGE II

Who
You

When
Sunday, December 19th, 2004
5:30pm - ????

Where
Sun Tung Kee Hot Pot
#105-8291 Alexandra Road
Richmond

Cost
$17.95 for all you can eat veggies, noodles, meat, and seafood. Rice is extra (sorry Gary)

Directions
From UBC: Take 99 B-line, #4, #25, or #41 out to Granville St. and board the 98 B-line southbound. Get off at Alderbridge stop, head north one block to Alexandra, and head east (ie. turn right). Walk for about 1.5 blocks.
From elsewhere: Skytrain to Burrard Station and board the 98 B-line southbound.
With a car: Be nice and give anyone +/- 10 minutes within your house a ride.
The restaurant is yellow and the Chinese name is 砂煲火鍋 and NOT 新東記火鍋 as it would appear from the English Name.

What to bring
- HANDMADE Secret Santa gift, or at least an I.O.U
- card
- non-perishable food item for the Food Bank
- that significant other you've been hiding in your closet
Does anyone want me to bring mistletoe and rum and egg nog????

What's happening afterwards
Bubble tea? Karaoke so we can sing Christmas songs? You choose. I got ALLL night 8D.

Tim says...

Actually I voted 3 times for you cooking. Just to spite you ;-).

Thursday, December 16, 2004

Pat says...

clearly.. knowing you as well as i do.. i would NOT vote in favour of having you cook the xmas dinner, regardless of how amusing it would be to have everyone eating instant noodle bowls.

remember this? --
karen: 'so.. how does this work?'
pat: 'just add water..'
karen: 'oh! ..'

*scene from patrick's dorm of karen making juice from concentrate*

Karen says...

- odds and ends -

1) no can do chris. a little something called work...which is the same place i'll be come christmas eve morning. hah. just for half an hour though.

2) apparently, if you pull your hair into a ponytail too tight, you REALLY can get a headache from it. girls, be warned. a bad headache at that. eugh.

3) why does 'cook me dinner kto' have SIX VOTES?! you know, i really would. but...no. i swear pat just voted 5 times to spite me and gary the 6th.

4) yeah, stupid peter took down the post before anybody saw it. and i had just thought of some good ones to share. with evidence and examples. *muahahaha*

Christopher says...

Ski Trip - Dec 21 to 23rd

Hi Guys, I was wondering if any of you would be interested in going on a ski trip back to Hemlock Valley. We would leave on Tuesday morning and return in the late afternoon of Thursday. I've got a great deal lined up, 200 dollars after tax for a 3 bed condo thats right next to the ski lifts. So if we can get 5 people, it would be 80 dollars for the room for two nights, and food should be pretty cheap as we can cook it ourselves.

If you are interested please let me know as soon as possible!

Joanne says...

To my defense, I found out that "w00t" was adopted as the company motto from the news bulletin board. It appears that either the CEO Patrick Tam has been circumventing the proper company democratic practices in the implentation of polices or administrator Peter Li is guilty of false advertisement. Plus, we can't publicly share P&C stock anyway, so it's ALLLLLLL still mine 8D.

And now I'm even MORE curious!!!! Someone tell me!!! Haha, I sound desperate...

*ahem* The Christmas Countdown is behind again. *ahem*

Milk is a product of cow molestation. Think about that.

Gordon says...

mwahhaha...yeah... joanne and tim..I was confused why that post was gone so suddenly actually....I was looking for it again in the morning and thought I was dreaming about it....before I saw Karen's post. So Tim, guess you can't post anything about it now..since joanne doesn't know anything about it now...ah well...maybe next christmas =)

Oh yeah...FINALLY...they let me into COMM 458...after bugging the secretaries for 4 weeks! (watch me drop it in January =P).

Awe man...steve can't take all 60% of the shares....I'll take 30!...and open a franchise in Germany! But that'll have to wait till Monday...at 7pm... sound good!?!?!?!?!

FUTURE grads... click here for the Graduation Checklist . I almost couldn't graduate!... so find out before April when you get a letter saying you''re stuck doing your undergrad for another term.


Stephen says...

I'll buy those shares! And I'll open up Spanish franchises (I have Spanish at 3:30 today).

Tim says...

Man you guys are awake so early...what for?

In other news, I'd like to bring your attention to my company "Alcoholic Bubbletea Ltd." (ABT) which has started trading on Toronto Stock Exchange at $0.57. Currently 60% of market shares are unowned.

Stephen says...

You moved to make "w00t" the company motto, and did so while holding only 49% of shares. Without consulting the regional owner of "w00t", myself. Thus I would be glad to relieve you of your P&C shares in exchange for my dropping a copyright infringement suit.

Joanne says...

I thought "w00t" was adopted as the company motto, thereby becoming a property of the company and seeing how I own 49% of it, I can use it...49% of the time anyhow? You see, by tacking on "w00t" at the end, I am promoting P&C! It's really in its own interest. But I can stop using it if you want. And I attributed all my w00ts to "Stephen."

No wonder the Canadian Securities Commission closed all public sharing of P&C!

Stephen says...

Attention Joanne Hsieh:

Recently you have been using the word "w00t" quite often. Stephen Naphegyi (henceforth known as "The Usurped") was the one to bring "w00t" into common use on this blog. Joanne Hsieh (henceforth known as "the Usurper") has been using the word "w00t" under the pretence that The Usurper had trademarked said word, and not accrediting its ownership to The Usurped. Thus, The Usurper, please be noted that from this day forth your use of the word "w00t", or any of its derivatives or alterations, must be accredited to their source, The Usurped. The Usurped would like you to know that he can be referenced as "Stephen", "SN", "SIN", or "God" to the year of 2004. The Usurped requests that in exchange for 25% of the shares of "w00t" (appearing on NASDAQ on Friday, December 17 at $8.32) he will accept The Usurper's 49% of P&C (Currently at $3.00). This offer is on the table until market close on Friday, December 17.


Tim says...

Joanne: Mwahahaha, you will NEVER know the meaning of Karen's post. Obviously, you didn't visit the blog frequent enough because Peter's hand of god managed to wipe the memory of the blog before it ever came to be. Now it will forever remain a secret of P&C. (It's ok if you don't understand this post either...however a certain few will know)

Joanne says...

On the third day of Christmas, P&C gave to me:

Three jazz gigs
No more commerce cramming (Gordon, you're supposed to have TWO of something on the second day of xmas)
And an end to hockey lockouts.

Pat says...

peter? done? great.. watch the updates increase 10 fold... IF thats possible.

Joanne says...

By the way, am I the only one puzzled by Karen's post?

Wednesday, December 15, 2004

Joanne says...

At Royal Oak Skytrain station, there was always this room with a door diguised to blend in with the surrounding wall. I have always what was behind that white locked door, but the contents of the other side have always eluded me. Over the years, I convinced myself that it was a brandy room, or a very clean washroom. Either way, I was jealous and even for a brief moment in my youth, I aspired to become associated with Translink, so I can enjoy the comforts of this mysterious room

Until today.

I saw this guy come out, and it had nothing but a bunch of pipes. So what are these Skytrain officials doing in there? Jacking off?

I'm filing a lawsuit against Tim. You'll be hearing from my lawyer! And my accountant.

Tim says...

Peter: ...ummm yeah, I think I'll just leave it short and just say "I'm done"
(The growling I thought was the sound of your stomach, or you farting....then I realized that the sound had frequency to it and so I assumed you had to release a whole cascade of farts)

Peter says...

He sits there staring blankly at the glowing screen before him. At first, it starts with a quick exhaling of his lungs, the ever-so-slight twitch of his diaphram, as the corners of his lips begin to rise. And then a sound. Deep but quick, originating directly from the upper throat. A pause. The sound repeats itself, establishing a hypnotic frequency that only now begins to take shape: he's chuckling. It's quiet, controled, and calm. So calm that you wouldn't notice it even if you were directly behind him. The smile that was barely there moments ago is now growing steadily accross his face. The chuckling grows louder as the source of the sound migrates down his pharynx past his trachea and settles deep within him. You can hear him from the next room. It's a full laugh now... yet it grows louder. Suddenly, his head jerks back, the force tilting his entire upper body into his chair, the laugh no longer natural but almost satanic. It becomes a creation no mere mortal can make. Each breath is a scream with his mouth fully open, his smile nearly unrecognizeable. "I'M DONE!" he exclaims, "HOLY SHIT I'M FINALLY DONE!"

Peter says...

that's very good point... obviously wasn't thinking. too risky. not a good way to say merry christmas, is it? but wait... friendship? i hope that u didn't think i was your friend Karen. that's a tragic assumption. tragic i tell you. muahaha

Karen says...

hahahahaha. i see before me a question, however noble the intent, that could be the end all be all of this blog. a question that could begin a cascade of broken friendships and major havoc and attacks and bloodshed.

but i dually note that the person who posed the question has made a wise move; he's leaving town in 2 days. what perfect timing. even i must say, very clever, peter, how very, very clever.

having said that, i will have to think carefully about my next post. evidence and examples, eh? *muahahaha*

PS: christmas sucks. i feel like we've been celebrating it since november. oh wait, we have! thanks to commercialism.

Tuesday, December 14, 2004

Joanne says...

Tim: It is something called CHRONOLOGY. You see, I purchased your 20% that you sold. You do recall that Stephen and Peter got fired, and with that firing mean the availability of THEIR shares, which is how I got the extra 9%.

Also, we only have indication that a 34% increase was attributed to the new company motto "w00t", but it does not exclude the possibility that share prices have been soaring even more. As Joyce so insightfully pointed out (before she officially went off the deep end), P&C shares must be increasing rapidly due to the high volume of posts (see for yourself!) so 34% was most likely in addition to an astronomically incomprehendable increase in share price.

I must say, Pat is doing a bang up job, and Peter will no longer be slapped with a lawsuit 8) and can continue on as an awesome administrator. As well, it would be dumb to not include someone who owns 49% of the company on the Board of Directors because pissing them off by implementing a policy they did not approve of could mean a financial disaster for that company. w00t.

Tim says...

*This just in:
The sex scandals have been confirmed true. Furthermoe Joanne Hsieh, leading share holder of P&C has also been implicated in the now infamous P&C sex scandal involving several board directors. The sex tape, turned in recently by an anonymous individual, clearly shows the accused getting it on in the P&C board of director's office in Downtown Vancouver. It is believed that Joanne Hsieh, who recently acquired an additional 29% in shareholdings on top of her previous 20%, intentionally set up the scheme in order to gain a spot on the board of the fledgling company. However, several lawsuits have been filed regarding the legality of her actions. Please stay tuned for further announcements.

I think after this, P&C is due for a sharper hit (even with the increased traffic) *ahem PeteR*
Needless to say Joanne, your screwed...

Tim says...

Gordon: For one thing, I don't know where Joanne managed to grab that extra 9% that was apparently sitting around. The only reason 20% was available was because I sold them. So really I don't think she has 9%, probably in the hands of other shareholders. Furthermore, I don't think it's necessary for people within the company to own 50% of the shares to be considered a board member.

We can come to a few conclusions from this data:
1.)Joanne is NOT on the board of directors because she only has a 40% hold on total market shares
2.)Steve and Peter do not need to own anything (not to mention you were confused between Pat and Peter).
3.)Peter does not need to own 50% (The shares are likely distributed between the other members of the blog)

Joanne: Although share prices may have gone up, you bought 20% of stock at 5.87 and decreased to $2.87. Furthermore, although shares rose 35%, you are still at a net loss of of approx. $2 per share. Since our trading volumes are in the hundreds of thousands, you are at a net loss of over $2 million. I applaud you on your trading business :)

Peter says...

ok, we've lost joyce... damned final exam session has incurred another casualty. let's all go visit her at the insane asylum for christmas :p

how did i commit false play? i'm confused. i didn't do it! i swear! i have no shares in the company, i was fired along with steve. Pat's the CEO. He gets appointed by the Board of Directors. While he may have stock options in the company, for the most part CEO's are mainly paid big fat salaries. joanne is somehow rich enough to own almost half the company. *shrug* she called it.

Joyce says...

lalalala... lalalala


*suppressing urge to write "i don't want to study" repeating in an infinite loop in VB language*

heck, i'm going to do it.

*looking for my VB book*

darn, where's my VB book.

I think my study room has black hole characteristics.
hurrah to new scientific discovery!!!
*giving imaginary Nobel acceptance speech*

Joanne says...

With their firing/demotion (whatever it was), didn't Stephen and Peter have to relinquish their shares, take their overinflated severance pay and leave? I mean, along with Tim's poor business decision (muahaha) that's how I managed to get all those extra shares.

WHICH MEANS, Peter has committed false play here! I'm calling my lawyer. I have videotapes of those scandals and I'm not afraid to use them!

w00t.

Gordon says...

...it might be because I bombed my comm final...but aren't %shares owned by the directors/CEOs..whatever you wanna call yourselves...supposed to =100%? If joanne has 49%....peter 50%... does steve and pat only have 1% together??

Gordon says...

...it might be because I bombed my comm final...but aren't %shares owned by the directors/CEOs..whatever you wanna call yourselves...supposed to =100%? If joanne has 49%....peter 50%... does steve and pat only have 1% together??

Pat says...

just for you, joyce

Peter says...

yea yea... i'm on it. pat may have started this blog idea, invited everyone, read several books over the summer on computer programming to try to improve the site, and know all the html coding, but Peter Li deserves all the credit i tell you!

Joanne says...

As a corruped member of the board who controls almost 50% of P&C and obviously cannot study efficiently at home, I would like to point out that the Christmas Countdown is a little behind schedule.

That is all. w00t. = 2 sentence fragments.

Joyce says...

w00t that is all - w00t v.
w00t all that is - w00t v.
that is all w00t - w00t adj. or n.
w00t is all that - w00t n.
all is that w00t - w00t n. or adj.
is w00t all that - w00t n.
is that all w00t - w00t n. or adj.

sentense scrambling ability of an ex-ESL student
lalalalala...

in less than 24 hrs, i'm free... well.. almost like free

phew, i found a yellow highlighter... would rather die than use a pink highlighter.

hmm... w/ the increased flow of posts during exam period, P&C's share price should increase greatly, and the corrupted executives should be quite rich. *cough* banana republic's dress pants for christmas *cough* *cough* size 1 *cough*

lalalala... i think cats are overated.

Updates on my toe:
- the nail is growing back !!!!!!
- the podiatrist sent a note to my family doc, and now my family doc, a busy busy busy guy, wants to see me. great... that reminds me i have a check up to do.. ugh.. needles

Joanne says...

No, I heard about the news of the idiotic, insensitive, and obviously oblivious white old men's decision yesterday...so thought I could start singing wishfully...........

See Tim? I told you my investment would pay off, muahahaha. w00t!

Gordon says...

On the second day of christmas, P&C gave to me:

no more commerce cramming!

And an end to hocky lockouts

(btw...is the hockey lockout over? I thought they are refusing the offer??? And..that even NEXT year there will be no hockey...)

Anyway, have fun times studyin for those who still studies... and fun times with work..for those who still work....


wOOt...that is all... whatever you want it to be. See ya'll on the 19th!

Joanne says...

The Twelve Days of Christmas - Blog Style

On the first day of Christmas, P&C gave to me:

An end to hockey lockouts.

Monday, December 13, 2004

Pat says...

hey thanks guys for the birthday wishes although birthdays i feel are quite over-rated
ah sigh..
age is a cruel mistress with a piercing leather whip.

btw: lap dances peter? ... is that just wishful thinking on your part?
and yes.. as a co-admin of P & C.. i concur and have witnessed peter's impetuous updating abilities...ie. updating something i just updated 2 minutes prior.

Stephen says...

News Flash:

Peter Li typing "that is all" after each post isn't nearly as cool as Stephen using the word "w00t" in every post.

Put that in your left column and smoke it.

w00t!

Peter says...

just a note that the administrators of this blog are not dictators (ok fine, we're benevolent dictators). anyone who wants to post some announcements or whatever in the left column can do so just by indicating it in a regular post. i'll move it over for you when i see ur post. at the rate that i'm updating this page, this will occur virtually instantaneously. that is all.


Gary says...

Oh look, its a rare post from me......

I spent almost 15 min sitting at the comp trying to remember my Username + Password for Blogger......and for what? To say Happy Birthday to Pat. So yeah......Happy Birthday Patrick!

Ok, my good deed of the day is done. Now I can go back to being an ass :)

Oh, oh, oh...before I forget...Look what my roomate showed me: an Imperial Chinese porno coin! lol this is too good not to post ^^

Stephen says...

w00t! Severence package!

Happy birthday Pat!

Pat says...

thanks guys.
.. fun day at the lab. woot.

Gordon says...

HAPPY BIRTHDAY PAT

Joanne says...

To help you all plan your holiday viewing experience, the 2005 Golden Globes nominees have been released.

Best Motion Picture - Drama
The Aviator, Closer, Finding Neverland, Hotel Rwanda, Kinsey, Million Dollar Baby

Best Motion Picture - Musical or Comedy
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
(this is a "comedy"???), The Incredibles, Andrew Lloyd Webber's The Phantom of the Opera, Ray, Sideways

Best Foreign Language Film
The Chorus, House of Flying Daggers, The Motorcycle Diaries, The Sea Inside, A Very Long Engagement


Witness the entire list here

Joanne says...

HAPPY BIRTHDAY PATRICK!!!!

*buys up another 9% of P&C now that shares are even cheaper*

Now that I own 49% of P&C, don't I get to sit on the Board of Directors or something???? Sex scandals...it sounds fun 8P.

Karen says...

pat:

*karen ignores chauvinistic piggish suggestion regarding some sorta x'mas cooking plans*

happy birthday.

*ahem* jerk *ahem*.

all the best. =)

Joyce says...

ahh... i HAVE to post this.

Joshua Bell Playing "O Mio Babbino Carro"

speechless.... speechless

Sunday, December 12, 2004

Tim says...

How unfortunate for you Joanne, P&C shares just dropped from $5.87 --> 2.49

Joanne says...

*buys up another 20% of P&C while shares are still cheap*


Joyce says...

actually, the best coffee i've ever had is from Torrefazione Italia. sadly, this company's bought by the Starbucks corporation, and the only Vancouver venue, which was conveniently in Kerrisdale, closed down ~2 weeks ago. Now all I have is 1 pound of its Palermo beans. In the tragic loss of my dear Torrefazione Italia, I resort back to Starbucks. (For those who watch Sex and the City, remember the "F*ck Buddy" episode. I think Starbucks is v. comparable here.)

oh well, compare to places like Java Express (where i get coffee if i'm working)... Starbucks is actually not bad.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

totally loving Green Day now. mozart is amazing.

Stephen says...

About that "hell is exothermic thing". It says at the bottom that the student received the only "A", but it was a bonus question. Regarless of how funny his answer was, he probably worked like hell in the first place because a bonus answer isn't likely to give you a 20% boost if you fuck up the rest of the exam. Isn't that last bit of information pointless? Doesn't it just lead you to believe that the "A" was a result of the bonus question?

Feh. Fucking sick of studying. Three down, two to go.

God I hate biochem.

P.S. Starbucks sucks. Go drink some real coffee, not single coffee beans diluted with eighteen ounces of sugar and whipping cream.

P.P.S. Sorry I'm so bitter. I'm just really tired and wanted to vent.

Tim says...

0.0 What the hell is going on with all the firings/appointments/re-appointments?

*Sells his 20% stake in P&C holdings while hez still ahead*

Joanne says...

It appears that Christmas Day has been moved to December 28th...

Saturday, December 11, 2004

Tim says...

Joyce, that story has been told since I was Gr. 10 lol

Joyce says...

my dear mathie friend from Waterloo sent me this, and i HAVE to share
----------
he following is an actual question given on a University of Washington chemistry midterm. The answer given by one student was so "profound" that the professor shared it with colleagues, which is why we now have the pleasure of enjoying it as well.

Chemistry Midterm Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic(gives off heat) or endothermic(absorbs heat)?

Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law,(gas cools off when it expands and heats up when it is compressed) or some variant. One student, however, wrote the following:

Answer:
First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in the time. So we need to know the rate that souls are moving into Hell and the rate they are leaving it. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving.

As for how many souls are entering. Well, lets look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Some of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there are more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially.

Now we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to staty the same, the volume of Hell has to expand as souls are added. This gives two possibilities:

1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enters Hell, then the temperatuer eand pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose.
2. Of course, if Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.

So which is it? If we accept the postulategiven to me by one Ms Teresa Banyan during my Freshman year,"... that it will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you," and take into account the fact I still have not succeeded in having sexual relations with her, then #2 can not be true.

Thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and will not freeze.

The student reveived the only " A" given.

Joanne says...

That's why I stand right by the espresso machine to ensure that I receive my $5 worth of caffeine! That or we can take our coffee and run it on some HPLC columns and compare to some standards - you can purchase some off VWR for about $58USD (yes, I actually checked...)

I need your people's opinion on something. Should I retouch my deionization and get a new cut (but keep my hair long) or just chop it all off? think: Liv Tyler 1998 (The latter costing me $200 less...)

Gordon says...

yeah, losing things suck... I lost my awesome mp3 player in washington...and lost my digital camera in germany....

meh..I'm known for losing things anyway...

Peter says...

in response to Karen's post, i'd do one of two things:

A: buy up shares in starbucks (starbucks is pretty hot for such an old company see for urself)

B: start going to second cup (which in my opinion, is so much better...) in terms of coffee drinks (not including hot chocolates, vanilla fraps, etc.) starbucks pales in comparison

and reagrding Karen's missing mp3 player... well... tough... KIDDING. hope you find it. or better yet i hope i find it. muahaha. that is all.

Karen says...

doesn't it bug you guys that starbucks is totally cashing in on people (like ourselves) who like to proudly rehearse and recite drink orders? where in fact, i have a theory, that they just randomly add things into our coffee and the "normal" caramel machiato on one day could really be just the same drink as the "double tall extra hot super this and that caramel machiato" the next day. i mean, after the 2 minute shpiel, like you can REALLY tell the difference or even remember what you ordered! haha. argh, if starbucks wasn't so addictive, i would totally just end all starbucks consumption. but alas... =P

PS: people who order the "normal" caramel machiato are NOT boring.

PPS: how does one mourn the loss of an mp3 player? whose body has not been found but as it has been missing for 2 weeks, the chances that it will be found (or found alive) is definitely not good. *sob*

Joanne says...

In the spirit of Starbucks worship (it must be because the Christians have their Mary and Jesus at this time of year...or the fact that talking to Tim has made me want to join a nunnery).

How my coffee preference has evolved through the past year:
May - Tall latte (gotta start it out slow, people)
June - Venti soy latte (more coffee, but without the fat and bitterness)
July - Quadruple grande iced americano with sugar free vanilla syrup (having three June drinks/day was not doing wonders for my waistline)
August - Quintuple grande iced americano made with coffee instead of water
September - Grande dark roast. Preferences include the Italian, French, Ethiopian Sidamo, Sumatra, or the Verona. (at $5/cup, my August drink was getting taking its toll on my wallet too much. Plus the barista actually started to make fun of me).
October - Six shot venti americano (I had to take a venti because the bewildered barista was having trouble fitting all six shots into a grande)
November - Grande soy americano misto
December - Extra hot quadruple grande soy americano misto (extra hot to compensate for the cold weather, and extra shot to compensate for exams)

I think the public needs to start addressing the caffeine addiction issue.

Joyce says...

variations of caramel machiato (these, and the dark roast, are all you need from Starbucks)

1) plain caramel machiato - for boring people
2) double tall caramel machiato with extra caramel - my "double high," ex-usual drink
3) extra hot triple tall caramel machiato - for increased caffeine intake. no extra caramel needed as too much sweetness actually conflicts bitterness from 3 shots of expresso
4) extra hot double tall caramel machiato with extra caramel - my current usual drink other than dark roast. yes, i'm anal...
5) extra hot grande caramel machiato - when feeling like more coffee but body does not require more concentrated caffeine
6) extra hot triple tall caramel machiato with extra caramel - heck, i don't care, i just want to get high w/o alcohol (chocolate covered expresso beans as the chaser is recommended)

hmmm... i think Starbucks should start a rehab facility for caffeine addicts.

Friday, December 10, 2004

Peter says...

http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=6881

thanks tim... this one's HILARIOUS tho hahaha had me laughin out loud

Tim says...

Thursday, December 09, 2004

Joyce says...

AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

Tim says...

Fluffy clouds...how I like fluffy clouds
(Time I gave Joyce some competition for being weird)

Joanne: What the hell are you thinking? 0.0

Tim says...

It's more like "Gordon unleashes Fists of Fury on FNH prof"

Joanne says...

"Joyce drinks lightweight Tim under table"

Is that supposed to be sick or something...?

Stephen says...

I second that motion. What ever happen to nerdy posts being reomved? Granted if that ever really happened we wouldn't have a blog, would we? It's supposed to be a "daily dose of grease and news", we should have headlines like "Joyce drinks lightweight Tim under table" and "Gordon unleashes Fists of Fury on first year tutoring client".

Pat says...

its ok peter... im sure you'll find something witty to quote.. one day.... one day

mwhahahaha..

Peter says...

i'd like to put a motion on the floor for a BETTER QUOTE OF THE WEEK....

who the heck comes up with these quotes anyway? someone lame i bet...

Wednesday, December 08, 2004

Pat says...

yes.. seasonal music is great as long as its not.. 'AN NSNYC XMAS' SPECIAL' ... groan... yeah that's right. thats what i had to gruel through for some gathering. ugh.

Joyce says...

pete, bahaha, i liked it. xmas musics... some of them are just plenty annoying.

researching stuff for my chinese lit final, which is open book, open notes and with 2 essay questions only. AHHHH

Peter says...

if i'm the only one who likes frank sinatra singing have yourself a merry little christmas, than i apologize for wasting your time...

Tuesday, December 07, 2004

Joyce says...

1st installment of joyce's stress induced posts:

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

*wishing for a blizzard in vancouver and 10 snow days*

Monday, December 06, 2004

Gordon says...

Wow..I was so bored today...that I went through our first blog messages...those were some friggen LONG posts...hehe...anyway, where are we going for dinner on the 19th joanne?

Joanne says...

I would take Starbucks over bubble tea in an instant as well. I just cannot live without my semi-pharmacological dose of caffeine in the form of an extra hot quintuple americano misto every morning...

Okok, so selling my serum won't work, but I've got a better idea to get rich. IN VITRO MEATS. So the premise is, I take multipotent mesenchymal cells, do all that differentiation crap, and stimulate them to proliferate like mad with testosterone, growth hormones, and whatnot. The result?
1) vegetarian friendly!
2) no risk of Salmonella/E. coli contamination!
3) favourable for microbial ecology!
4) mass production sans slaughter house costs!
5) greenhouse friendly!
6) endless choices! Low fat, extra fat, calcium-enriched, blue chicken breasts, beef that tastes like chicken, chicken that tastes like beef, pork that tastes like chocolate...you want? you got it!

Now, I might get hell from those anti-GE foods people, hippies, and Luddites, but it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make...

Tim says...

This is a reminder that the following ppl owe me $10:
Cindy
Karen/Jennie
Li Kai
Pat
Vivienne

and $5:
Peter

Sunday, December 05, 2004

Gordon says...

Gordon says...

Hmm...bitter or sweet.... might shock you..but I'll go with the bitter.

Joyce says...

w/o even thinking about it: starbucks will stay
actually... will negotiate and give them orange julius

Joanne says...

I was looking up the calorie content of your average bubble tea (one site claimed 800 calories..which is...scary) and I came across this article: http://goldsea.com/Air/Issues/Tapioca/tapioca_20605.html

So which brings a rather daunting scenario to mind: If incredibly sadistic aliens overswept the earth and they would only leave if we completely gave up our Starbucks or bubble tea, which one would you choose?


Peter says...

joanne - i'll be in whistler that weekend so i can't attend (don't change the date for me tho since it works so well for everyone) i'll have to either give a belated present or make my present beforehand and get someone else to give it to the recipient....

joyce... speaking of messy desks... i just "prepped" mine for hardcore exam studying:


freaky, huh?

Joyce says...

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after installation, ask me for a patch to remove ads and other annoying and unnecessary features

Karen says...

yay shanghainese food. =)

restaurant at cambie/broadway is called great wall szechuan restaurant. it's a pretty good place. they specialize in northern chinese dishes, including shanghainese stuff.

Saturday, December 04, 2004

Joanne says...

Hmm, my second post in a row...yes, I'm seriously procrastinating.

For Secret Santa exchange! As Li-Kai and Pat are leaving on the 20th (or so I hear, please correct me if I'm wrong) and a few people still have an exam on the 20th or 21st, I think it would be best if we just went out to a restaurant for dinner on SUNDAY, DECEMBER 19TH to ensure we won't be wasting more than...3 hours of your time. So where to go eat? Gary wanted to go to a more noncanonical place (heh, probably because he'll be stuck with white food in Winnipeg for the next eight months of his life...ok, I know I'm gonna get a rebuttal from Stephen on this) so likely candidates are:

All -You-Can-Eat Hot Pot in Richmond
--> it satisfies two of the Eat Club's largest philosophies, need I say more?

Kalamata on Broadway X Cambie
--> Great calamari. Close to 99 B-line. Great calamari. Big plates. Great calamari. Reasonable prices. Great calamari.

Gyu Teppanyaki on Burrard Downtown
--> Watch the chef make a performance out of cooking your food, so you can make sure he doesn't spit, blow his nose, or insert other bodily fluids into it... Reasonable price too.

Nyala on West 4th
--> African food, which would definitely be something new for the group. Reasonable prices, and they have great chicken and vegetarian fare.

Some Shanghai Restaurant (I forgot the name) on Broadway X Cambie
--> Yah, we get it, you taiwanese people like your food. But we need to explore other sorts of Chinese cuisine as well. (I'm gonna get hammered for calling taiwanese food "Chinese", won't I?) Plus, a chance for the group to eat like other Chinese people do: communally.

Hooters on Bute X Robson Downtown
--> In Gary's words, "It's quality food...And these waitresses, they're talking to me, man. THEY'RE TALKING TO ME."

Please leave your preferences or concerns as an answer on this blog. All the Secret Santa nonparticipants are of course welcome to come! It's Christmas after all!

Also, Gary and I were thinking of organizing a dinner at some fancy schmancy restaurant to celebrate Christmas, New Year's, Hannukah, Diwali, what have you... Any of you who are interested, please let me know.

Joanne says...

Gordon: You mean you're gonna hit on Hammond in your evaluation form????

Stephen says...

Woody Harrelson charm? You mean he smokes a lot of pot and makes jokes about the farm?

Gordon says...

I hope my FNH prof gets a beating then!

Friday, December 03, 2004

Karen says...

omg, i just found out that i actually do get a nice long christmas break! i'm off from dec. 22nd all the way to jan. 3rd!! hallelujah!! this is like the best news i've heard all week. =) [i wonder if i get paid...]

Joanne says...

I was speaking to my friend who graduated last year, and apparently, the profs get in trouble when we start making those kinda comments on their evaluation forms. Like, the university admin starts interrogating them to make sure they're not abusing their position of power, and it gets serious. Or so Dr. Brunstein said last year when he claimed a student wrote that he was cute.

Btw, BIOC 410 used to be taught by Dr. Mackie. Not fair, eh?

Thursday, December 02, 2004

vivienne says...

Joyce: HAHAHAA...Macintosh, eh? Yes, I remembered the balls......

It's kinda sad actually...I don't even remember what the balls were representing...all I remember is balls...O.o;;;;



Pat says...

'...and so I'm free.... nothing's worrying me'

hey jason.. sorry karen and i couldn't make it yesterday! we did make an effort and will be there for sure next time! i hope you broke a leg (the metaphorical one)

Karen says...

continuing on with joyce's list:

random thought #5 - today is britney spears' birthday.

random thought #6 - 1) mother 2) passion. these are the top two words non-English speaking individuals chose as the 'most beautiful words' (apparently)...i thought that was quite interesting.

random thought #7 - 'rain drops are falling on my head...and just like the guy whose feet are too big for his bed...nothing seems to fit...those raindrops are falling on my head...they keep falling...' that's all the words i know...this song's been playing in my head for days now. =)

Joyce says...

fellow self-abusing biochem students~~~
bahaha, viv and pat, remember MacIntosh, our i-wish-i-can-have-different-coloured-balls chem 123 prof? He's teachign us bioc 403 next term!!! he was one of my fav prof back in the nerdom of csp.
joanne, if you haven't met MacIntosh, i'll tell ya.. he has that Woody Harrelson charm. let's have fun with the evaluation again!! (ah, so sad, last year to pathetically relating better-looking profs to hollywood personnel.)

hmm.. i'm definitely high on chocolate covered expresso beans again

Joyce says...

random thought I - constipation is not good

random thought II - strawberry yogurt... hmmmmm

r.t. III - my desk is messy, very messy, so messy that if you got shrunk to an ant's size, you will be completely lost.... like once i did. u know that once your desk gets too messy, you'll have nightmare about it?

r.t. IV - butterflies are freaky and disgusting. oh, ahh... beef samosa from the deli...

Wednesday, December 01, 2004

Joanne says...

I thought "ski" was Ukrainian o.O

Joyce says...

Steve: i thought "-sky" is russian and "-ski" is polish.


ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Stephen says...

Tim: If you ever tell me I'm in the G1 of cell cycle when I'm going slowly, it's beat-down for you!

Viv: A name ending in "sky" or "ski" doesn't mean that they're necessarily jerks...just Polish.